Have you ever been talking to a client and you see them zone out so you switch gears to try to deliver your message a different way, all the while watching for any signs of comprehension or consent?
Or have you been delivering unexpected news and find yourself in an explanation loop… rationalizing, justifying, convincing… all while that little voice in your head screams, “Just Stop Talking!”.
It’s all pretty common.
There are four main reasons we talk to veterinary clients:
- Gathering information
These four reasons also have four levels of potential risk of personal emotional impact and confrontation.
In this episode I break them all down, with examples, and share how adjusting your focus will make both you and the client feel better… not Vet Med word vomit required.
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This transcript is auto-generated and may contain typos. Hi there. I'm Dr. Cari Wise, veterinarian, certified life coach and certified quantum human design specialist. If you're a veterinary professional looking to uplevel your life and your career or maybe looking to go in an entirely new direction, then what I talk about here on the Joyful DVM podcast is absolutely for you. Let's get started. Have you ever been talking to a client and you see them just totally zone out? So you switch gears to try to say the thing you're trying to explain a different way. You watch for any sign of understanding or consent, and until you get the words from them acknowledging that they understand what you're talking about or that they get it, you just keep talking. Or have you ever delivered unexpected news and gone into an explanation loop rationalizing why you decided what you did or why you're recommending something or why what you need to do next is different than what you originally thought you were gonna do? Have you heard that little voice in your head as you're talking saying to you? Just stop talking. It happens to most of us, and this is what I call VetMed word vomit. So let's start and figure out why does this happen in the first place? We have to first understand why we talk to clients, and there are four main reasons why we talk to clients. The first one, purely social. This is the greetings that we give them, just general chit chat that occurs. This might happen in the office or outside of the office, just social conversation. The second one is to get information. So when we're taking a medical history, we ask questions so we can gain information relevant to the pet. This is just very typical conversation inside of an exam room. The third reason that we talk to clients is to educate them. In this case, we are relaying information that is relevant to the pet. So usually things like preventive care, we're educating them on things like vaccination series and parasite control and all of those types of things. And then we also educate them on things like the policies and procedures of our actual hospital. So like what happens when an appointment is scheduled and then they arrive late, that kind of stuff. The fourth reason that we talk to pet owners is to update them. So to relay pet specific information, things like their lab results or a status update after a surgery, or if they've been dropped off for the day for exam and care, those types of things. Those are the four main reasons we talk to clients. Number one, purely social. Number two, to ask questions and gather data during a medical history. Number three, to educate them on things like preventive care and hospital policies. And number four, to update them on specific information about their pets, like lab results and how they're doing after a surgery or after hospitalization. If we take a look now at these four levels or four types of client interactions, we can actually assess a risk value to those. So the social number one, social interaction, pretty darn low risk. Number two, that back and forth with a medical history is pretty low risk. Number three, when we're educating them, that's a medium risk conversation. And then number four, when we're updating them with pet specific information, that's a higher risk situation. So what do I mean by these risks associated with these conversations? I'm talking about the risk of confrontation and the risk of an emotional impact on you. So with those no risk conversations that are purely social, there's a very low probability, basically no probability of a confrontation during a social encounter when you're just greeting, how are you doing, how are things going, that kind of conversation. So there's also, because it's a very low slash no probability of confrontation, there really is really no probability of an emotional impact on you, purely social and conversational. It's unlikely to elicit a massive emotional response within you. Now, the low risk conversations, these are the ones where we're getting a medical history, we're asking questions, we're gathering data. These have a low probability of confrontation, probably a little bit higher than just a purely social conversation, but still generally very low because we're just asking questions and they're answering those questions. We're just gathering data. There's also then a very low probability of an emotional impact on you. Again, it's just data going back and forth, information being exchanged. There really isn't any emotion involved in this. In most cases, if anybody's emotional ask the questions are asked, it's typically the client, and that doesn't usually create any kind of emotional impact within us. Now, once we get to educating clients, the risk goes up. We're going up to a medium risk of an emotional impact and a medium risk of confrontation. So what do I mean by that? The medium probability of confrontation comes from when we educate them on what we recommend as far as things like vaccinations, spay neuter, heartworm prevention, those types of things. And there's then this owner choice, right? They get to decide. So they may decline what we recommend, and when they do that, they often will share their reason why. We also are educating them on our policies and procedures. So what is our hospital policy? If somebody arrives late for an appointment, if you're more than five minutes late, do you need to reschedule? For example, as we are educating them on that hospital policy, there's a medium probability of confrontation because they might disagree and share their opinion about our policies. So that probability of confrontation in both of these cases comes from where they are disagreeing with what we're recommending, and then we feel a certain way when we hear them disagree. That emotional impact then is also medium. If they get upset as they disagree, then we get upset. If they elicit frustration over our policies, then we often feel frustration. So that's why that emotional impact is a medium risk because it's just completely unpredictable. We never know how a client's gonna respond when we're educating them with information, whether that be medical information about their pets or hospital policy and procedure information. That risk goes up even higher for us. The high risk category, when we're updating pet owners with information specific to their own pets, so things like lab results and their status after surgery of and hospitalization. This situation as we're having these conversations has a high probability of confrontation. Here's what, how we break it down in our own minds. When we relay information about normal lab results, we often anticipate them coming back and saying something about those results and about the money spent, especially when they're normal. So if we're relaying normal lab results, many of us, before we ever get into the conversation, we anticipate the response. I just spent that money for nothing. If we're relaying information about abnormal lab results with a treatment plan, oftentimes as we go into that conversation, we anticipate the response of, I can't afford that treatment. I can't afford to do those things. If we're relaying information about a change in the original plan or the change of status, we anticipate the response, you did something wrong. That's not what you said you were gonna do. We anticipate that they are going to blame us for the change that we're recommending. This high probability of confrontation that we are anticipating is creating a high probability of emotional impact on us. We are afraid of being attacked for pricing, and we're also afraid of being blamed for the patient outcomes. What's really interesting is all the emotions that we feel going into these conversations before the client ever has a chance to even respond, we're already feeling the worst of those emotions at the very beginning that makes, that just adds to the high risk feeling of these conversations. The only thing that makes any of this difficult for us is the emotions, and specifically it's our emotions. The way that we feel in the moment when we let conversations just be the exchange of words and we let those words be neutral, then we don't experience a significant emotional event. It only becomes emotional when we interpret the conversation as something other than what it is. Let's look at three examples. Hospital policy number one, let's say you've got a hospital policy that if a client is 10 minutes late for an appointment that they are going to be asked to reschedule, and now you've got a client who has shown up 10 minutes late. When that client walks in 10 minutes late, many of us feel angry. Why are we feeling angry? We're feeling angry because we're thinking they don't respect our time. They should have arrived on time. We've got all these rules on what should have happened, and that's not what happened. We've got a level one response and a level two response to this scenario, level one response. This is what most of us pick. We don't say anything, so we see them even though they're late, we don't update them or enforce our policy, and then we just complain about it later. So they are live late. We see them, we're mad the whole time. And then when it's all said and done, we complain about it to our coworkers, maybe to our family and friends later. Our level two response would be for us to remind them of the policy to offer to reschedule. And then what many of us do in this level two response after we've done those two pieces is we keep talking. We go into an explanation of why the policy exists, why staying on schedule is so important. We really work to make them understand why it is that we are enforcing the policy and why the policy exists. This is a bit of the VetMed ward vomit. We really could have just stopped when they were late for their appointment. We reminded them of the policy and we offered to reschedule, but we don't. We go into a big explanation of why and we justify why we do that. Example number two, educating a client on the benefits of heartworm prevention. We do this every single day, multiple times a day. Whether you're veterinarian or veterinary technician or practice manager, office manager, receptionist, it doesn't matter. This is an education topic that we use every single day. We often, we educate, we give the recommendation, and then the client declines. They might go on to say something like, there's no such thing as heartworms. You're only in it for the money. And go into that kind of rant that we've all heard a hundred times. We then feel angry. We also feel a lot of judgment toward the clients for their opinion, and we're also pretty offended that they're going into that here when we're just trying to help their pet. If we're angry, what we wanna recognize is a lot of the time that anger comes because we're believing that they don't have any right to talk to us like that. That judgment comes because we think they should do something different. And oftentimes the sentence in our mind is fine. When your pet gets heartworm, don't say, I didn't tell you. How many times have we thought that or said that to our coworkers, right? And then we're offended because they have attacked our character when they have said that we are just in it for the money and we know that we would never do something and recommend something for the pet, just for the money. And so we feel offended. So what do we do? A level one response. Many of us would just kind of smile and nod, leave the room, and once we get out of the room, then we start gossiping about the clients with our coworkers. We say, you're not gonna believe what she said in the room. I can't believe she said that. When we go into all of that, that is absolutely VetMed word, vomit level one. Then we've got VetMed word vomit, level two. This is when our response in the room goes into reeducating. So we start all over with our educating, trying to convince them. We over-explain all the disease processes and why we are recommending what we're doing and why it costs what it costs. We keep trying to convince them of two things. Number one, that their pet needs whatever it is that we recommended, and number two, that it's not about the money. Now let's take a look at example number three. This is a scenario when you've got a dental that's been scheduled with known extractions. So we knew in advance we've seen the animal. We had it scheduled for dental. We knew there was gonna be extractions, and now here we are animals under anesthesia. We're able to do our dental radiographs, and what we find are complicated extractions that need to be referred to a dental specialist. We're terrified of making that phone call. Why are we afraid of making the phone call? We're afraid because we anticipate the client is going to say something about how we failed to do what we said we would do. We also anticipate they may make a comment about the money, something like, now I have to pay twice to get these teeth removed. We also anticipate they may say something like, since you couldn't do it today, does that mean that it's free? Those kinds of things. So from there, we launch straight into a level two defense. There really usually isn't a level one word vomit that goes on here. We're talking straight to level two. We're feeling very defensive. These are the kinds of sentences we typically respond with on these phone calls. I did my best. I really tried. I just couldn't get it. The radiographs showed these things. You use a bunch of medical terms that the client doesn't understand, and so I'm gonna have to refer you to a veterinary dentist to do the extractions. Maybe you say, some of those teeth I thought I I'd be able to remove, but I just can't do it. So all of that, what we do is we are so afraid of them blaming us that as we start to overexplain and kind of describe what's going on, we actually blame ourselves in advance. All of those sentences, I did my best. I really tried. I just couldn't do it. I'm gonna have to send you to a specialist. All of those sentences are blaming yourself in advance. What they also do is they plant this seed of doubt in the mind of the client, a seed that likely would not have been there had we had the conversation a different way. What we've done is we've taken responsibility for something that we actually couldn't control, which is just patient anatomy. It was what it was. You just have more information now, so you're adjusting your treatment recommendation. So why do we do this? We do this because we believe if they understand how hard we tried, then they won't blame us or they won't be mad about going for the referral. We're trying to control their reaction to make it be positive so we can feel better about this situation. But here's the truth. We have totally misunderstood our responsibility and what's really going on here. Here are the facts. It's a dog dental. There's radiographic findings. The extraction requires advanced skills and tools and your diagnosis as a medical professional. Your medical opinion is to adjust the plan and send it for referral because you believe that's what's in the best interest of the pet. That's the factual information. Notice, none of that has anything to do with you. It becomes emotional when you turn the conversation into something other than it is the intended point of the conversation was to update the status and plan for that pet. The intended focus of the conversation was to relay information about the dog. What we've turned it into is a conversation where the point becomes the ways that we failed, all the reasons why we couldn't help but fail, and a plea for them not to be mad at us, and the focus of that conversation has been on ourselves. As soon as we start talking about ourselves and what we couldn't do, it becomes VetMed word vomit. It's just too much information. Why do we do this? It all comes from fear. We have fear of judgment of our abilities, and we have fear of complaints about money, which we perceive as judgment of our character. There are three keys here. Number one, we think if we explain it all and explain it and explain it and explain it, then they won't judge us. Number two, if they don't judge us, then they don't say ugly things, and number three, if they don't say ugly things, then we did a good job. No, no and no. The tone of client interactions does not measure your success. The client's opinion of the sequence of events, the new data and your role is irrelevant. Only the dog and its medical care actually matter. Our self-doubt and opinions of our own performance have no place in conversations with clients. It's subjective. It's not rooted in fact, and it plants seeds of doubt unnecessarily. VetMed word vomit is a great indicator that you have some work to do on yourself. We only gossip and complain about clients when we take their words and actions personally. We blame them for how we feel. We only over-explain and insert ourselves into the patient scenarios. When we don't believe in ourselves, we are afraid they will blame us for how they feel. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of where emotions come from and emotional responsibility. We allow our emotional wellbeing to be determined by the things outside of ourselves. We perpetuate our own low self-confidence in this culture of VetMed victimization. As a result, when we intentionally remember that our emotions are only created by our own thoughts and never by what the people say or by the things that happen around us, then we can let the patients just be the patients. We can let the clients just be the clients, and we can let the data just be the data. We can then let go of the responsibility for the way the client reacts and the way the patient responds to treatment. We can then focus on just doing our best in any situation with the information and resources we have available at the time, and we can learn to experience all of the emotion that comes with it without judging it and without trying to change it. It. As we really start to practice and understand that those emotions really are just created by our own thoughts, this is how we build self-confidence. It's how we start enjoying our careers, and it's how we change the culture of victimization in veterinary medicine. That's gonna wrap it up for this week, and I'll see you next time.